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Viewing Album: CB&Q Passenger Diesels
By:
Chuck Zeiler
Dates:
1/15/1900 - 12/31/1966
Album Info:
Mostly photos of CB&Q passenger locomotives and trains that passed through Naperville, Illinois during the mid-1960's.
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Title:
CB&Q E8 9971
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9971 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on December 13, 1964, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiles. This locomotive was built in August 1953 (c/n 18313). Usually, the CB&Q would have attached a power car to this train. The power car was a modified commuter coach with a generator, but in this case certain locomotives were modified to allow some of the power from the locomotive's auxiliary generator to be routed to the coach's lights. The air conditioning was provided by onboard Waukesha engine powered by four propane cylinders on each bilevel coach. The heat was steam. There wasn't a lot of electrical demand in those days.
Photo Date:
12/13/1964
Upload Date:
5/15/2008 1:09:05 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9971(E8A)
Views:
599
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9971
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9971 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on March 18, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This is Train #108 departing Naperville at approximately 6:53AM, a daily except Saturday and Sunday dinky (commuter train) to Chicago, making most of the local stops between Naperville and Chicago, arriving at Union Statmon at 7:46AM if it maintains the schedule. According to the CB&Q Employees Timetable #9 for the Chicago and Aurora Divisions (Effective at 12:01AM CST, Sunday, October 25, 1964), this train did not depart from the Aurora Depot, so it departed directly from the coach yard, arriving)at its first stop, West Eola at 6:40AM, and stopping at Eola at 6:43AM.
Photo Date:
3/18/1965
Upload Date:
10/14/2008 11:44:44 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9971(E8A)
Views:
671
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9971 and E9 9994
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9971 and E9 9994 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on March 18, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. On the left is E8 9971 leading Train #108 stopping at most of the local stations between Naperville and Chicago, arriving at Union Station at 7:46AM. On the right is E9 9994 leading Train #110, skipping all the local stations after Lisle and Belmont, stopping next at Cicero, then all the local stations until arriving in Union Station at 7:35AM. Both are daily except Saturday and Sunday dinkys (commuter trains). The primary purpose of Train #110 was to transport the west suburban employees of Western Electric to work, who's plant was located close to the Cicero station. The time is approximately 6:52AM, #108 is scheduled to stop at Naperville at 6.53AM, and #110 is due at 6:51AM, seen here departing.
Photo Date:
3/18/1965
Upload Date:
10/14/2008 1:29:11 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Station
Locomotives:
CBQ 9971(E8A)
CBQ 9994(E9A)
Views:
1373
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9971
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9971 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 19, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/19/1965
Upload Date:
1/24/2015 5:24:50 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9971(E8A)
Views:
256
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9971
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9971 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
4/2/2015 3:12:34 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9971(E8A)
Views:
255
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 eastbound at Aurora, Illinois on August 21, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler
Photo Date:
8/21/1964
Upload Date:
6/20/2008 11:04:37 AM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
771
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on August 21, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
8/21/1964
Upload Date:
1/29/2015 2:17:19 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
303
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 at Aurora, Illinois on October 11, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
10/11/1964
Upload Date:
2/12/2015 1:25:49 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Yard
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
404
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 at Aurora, Illinjis on October 11, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Sinnce the days of steam, arriving Dinkys ( commuter trains ) at Aurora reLuired the power to be turned for the return trip to Chicago. A turntable was located behind the Aurora Depot for that purpose, as seen here. In less that a year from this photo date, six Budd gallery cars with control cabs would arrive and all but eliminate this chore.
Photo Date:
10/11/1964
Upload Date:
3/29/2017 7:57:01 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Yard
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
6396
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on December 31, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
12/31/1964
Upload Date:
7/30/2015 1:19:10 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
274
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on February 25, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
2/25/1965
Upload Date:
3/5/2015 1:59:16 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Winter
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
294
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on March 10, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Of interest to perhaps only CB&Q fans, this locomotive is towing three Budd galley cars and no power car. The equipment behind the third gallery car is another train on the next track. At the time of this photo, an adapted E8 or E9 could power two galley cars with 72 volts from (at least one of) the auxiliary generators, since the only electricity needed on the gallery cars was for lighting. The air conditioning was powered by Waukeska engines mounted on each coach, and heat was provided by the locomotive's steam generator. So either this was an experiment or one of the galley cars was deadheading, just my best guess.
Photo Date:
3/10/1965
Upload Date:
8/13/2015 1:42:58 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
236
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 19, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This is a Monday morning Dinky (commuter train), one of 30 Dinkys that the CB&Q dispatched in a 24 hour period out of Aurora to Chicago Monday through Friday, with a corresponding number returning. This particular train has the 7100 series coaches in tow, with one Budd bi-level coach at the rear of the train, and a power car carrying the markers. The class PA-14 7100 series coaches were built in the 1920's by the CB&Q with open ends, upgraded in 1949-1950 with enclosed ends and air conditioning, and given a paint scheme of forest green body, tan window panels, yellow stripes and lettering, aluminum roof, and black underbody. By the late 1960's, the PA-14's were withdrawn from suburban service, some lasted into the BN era in MOW service.
Photo Date:
4/19/1965
Upload Date:
12/11/2009 12:48:26 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
1801
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 at Aurora, Illinois on September 26, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Note that the first car behind the locomotive is a cab car which would usually lead this train eastbound. Perhaps the cab car's controls had failed.
Photo Date:
9/26/1965
Upload Date:
8/13/2015 3:31:10 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Station
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
271
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9972
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9972 at Aurora, Illinois on September 26, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Built in August 1953 (c/n 18314) on EMD Order 2059A, it became BN 9972 and later was rebuilt to E9Am 9906. It is seen here on the turntable behind the Aurora depot. There was no roundhouse or locomotive facilities, this turntable was used to turn suburban service locomotives for the return trip to Chicago. The Burlington had received its first six bi-level control cabs during the summer of 1965, so the days of this turntable's useful life were numbered. The sign says: ENGINES MUST STOP WITH TABLE IN BALANCE, not much of a challenge for E8's and E9's, which just fit the turntable. Likely the sign was for steam locomotives, typically 4-6-0's and later 4-6-2's.
Photo Date:
9/26/1965
Upload Date:
9/8/2009 7:07:46 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9972(E8A)
Views:
777
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9973
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9973 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Built August 1953 (c/n 18315), it bacame BN 9973 on March 2, 1970. It was rebuilt by Morrison Knudsen in May 1978, becoming BN 9907, owned by the West Suburban Mass Transit District and leased to the BN. It was retired August 1992, becoming MARC 67, later 91. It is now located at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
4/23/2008 10:27:27 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9973(E8A)
Views:
738
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9973
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9973 at Aurora, Illinois on June 20, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
6/20/1965
Upload Date:
6/25/2016 6:34:09 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9973(E8A)
Views:
356
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9973
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9973 westbound on the eastbound track at Naperville, Illinois on June 24, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
6/24/1965
Upload Date:
2/12/2015 2:35:56 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9973(E8A)
Views:
276
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9973
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9973 and E9 9992 at Naperville, Illinois on August 11, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. On the left 9973 was bringing a Dinky to a station stop at Naperville, and on the right 9992 was passing with Train Number 1, the Denver Zephyr, on the first 28 miles of its overnight run to Denver 1034 miles west of Union Station in Chicago. Hard to believe, but this was a daily occurrence at 6:30 PM in Naperville during the 1960's.
Photo Date:
8/11/1965
Upload Date:
6/25/2016 7:25:21 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9973(E8A)
CBQ 9992(E9A)
Views:
351
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9974
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9974 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on July 10, 1963, photograph by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built in August 1953 (c/n 18316), became BN 9974 sometime after the merger date (3/2/1970), and was sold for scrap August 12, 1975 to Joseph Simon & Sons, Tacoma, Washington.Typically, a Dinky (CB&Q term for commuter train) would require a power car to power the lighting in the coaches. As I understand it, some of the CB&Q E8's and E9's were modified to permit the locomotive's auxiliary generator to power the lights in up to two coaches, thus alleviating the need for the power car. The coaches were still (at the time of this photo) heated with steam, and the air conditioning was powered by propane fueled Waukesha engines on each coach.
Photo Date:
7/10/1963
Upload Date:
9/22/2008 7:02:31 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
Views:
474
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9974
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9974 westbound approaching the Naperville station on December 5, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This was Saturday, and judging by the shadows, around noon. According to the CB&Q's Chicago and Aurora Divisions Employees Timetable #9 (effective Sunday October 25, 1964) this would be train #205, Saturday Only Passenger, due in Naperville at 12:22 PM. Also of interest is a two car Dinky without a power car. Several locomotives were modified to allow the 74 volts DC produced by the auxiliary generator to also power the lighting of a maximum of two gallery cars. Locomotives known to have been modified were numbers 9937B, 9938B, 9941B, 9945A, 9946B, 9948A, 9948B, 9971-74, and 9976. In addition, number 9946A was modified but restricted to one car.
Photo Date:
12/5/1964
Upload Date:
12/10/2008 12:22:36 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
Views:
475
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9974 & E9 9989B
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9974 and E9 9989B eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on March 12, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. On the left is E8 9974 leading Train No. 108 stopping at most of the local stations between Naperville and Chicago, arriving at Union Station at 7:46AM. On the right is E9 9989B (the last E-unit delivered to the CB&Q) leading Train No. 110, skipping all the local stations after Lisle and Belmont, stopping next at Cicero, then all the local stations until arriving in Union Station at 7:35AM. Both are daily except Saturday and Sunday Dinkys (commuter trains). The primary purpose of Train No. 110 was to transport the west suburban employees of Western Electric to work, who's plant was located close to the Cicero station. The time is approximately 6:52AM, No. 108 is scheduled to stop at Naperville at 6.53AM, and No. 110 is due at 6:51AM.
Photo Date:
3/12/1965
Upload Date:
11/4/2008 2:14:53 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
CBQ 9989B(E9A)
Views:
596
Comments:
0
Title:
CBQ E8 9974 and E9 9989B
Description:
CB&Q E8 9974 and E9 9989B eastbound at Naperville, Illinois, March 12, 1965, photo by Chuck Zeiler. It was unusual for the two trains pictured to pause long enough for me to get two photos, here is the second shot. On the left is E8 9974 leading Train #108 stopping at most of the local stations between Naperville and Chicago, arriving at Union Station at 7:46AM. On the right is E9 9989B (the last E-unit delivered to the CB&Q) leading Train #110, skipping all the local stations after Lisle and Belmont, stopping next at Cicero, then all the local stations until arriving in Union Station at 7:35AM. Both are daily except Saturday and Sunday dinkys (commuter trains). The primary purpose of Train #110 was to transport the west suburban employees of Western Electric to work, who's plant was located close to the Cicero station. The time is approximately 6:52AM, #108 is scheduled to stop at Naperville at 6.53AM, and #110 is due at 6:51AM.
Photo Date:
3/12/1965
Upload Date:
6/16/2009 12:37:47 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
CBQ 9989B(E9A)
Views:
614
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9974
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9974 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on March 12, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. There is a distortion in the paint on the nose running vertically to the right of the headlight and over to the grab iron. At first I thought it was a dent, then I figured out it was the shadow of a pole behind me. Also note the replacement MU plug cover to the left of the upper headlight. The CB&Q was pretty good about keeping up appearances, and this locomotive would likely visit the paint shop soon so the missing stripes can be applied.
Photo Date:
3/12/1965
Upload Date:
2/12/2015 2:50:03 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Station
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
Views:
543
Comments:
2
Title:
CB&Q E8 9974
Description:
CB&Q E8 9974 westbound at Naperville, Illinois, April 28, 1965, photo by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built in August 1953 (c/n 18316), became BN 9974 sometime after the merger date (3/2/1970), and wap sold for scrap August 12, 1975 to Joseph Simon & Sons, Tacoma, Washington.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
8/31/2010 12:32:44 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9974(E8A)
Views:
376
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9975
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9975 westbound between Lisle and Naperville, Illinois on April 27, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/27/1965
Upload Date:
6/18/2015 5:30:10 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9975(E8A)
Views:
282
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9%75
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9975 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 29, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. I marked the slide as the CaliforniY Zephyr. I question that now many years later, but I was pretty good about keeping notes back then. There are a couple of possible explanations: either this is a section of the CZ or the eastbound DZ from the previous day was delayed and the Burlington made up a train from available equipment. Of course, it's always possible that I marked the slide incorrectly.
Photo Date:
4/29/1965
Upload Date:
3/1/2013 3:11:14 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9975(E8A)
Views:
425
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9975
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9975 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on May 23, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This is Extra 9975 West (the class lights are lit), a Bicycle Special. The first five cars are former Troop Kitchen cars, built by American Car & Foundry during World War II to provide meals on troop trains. The CB&Q purchased 300 of these cars after the war and sent them through the Havelock, Nebraska shops for conversion to express service. Because these cars had come from U. S. Army surplus, they were known as 'Jeeps' on the CB&Q. The flyer I have indicates this train departed Union Station at 9:05AM Central Daylight Time, stopped at Hinsdale and Aurora, and arrived at Ottawa (Illinois) at 11:30AM. Bicycles were checked and carried in the Jeeps. The fare was $6.10 for adults, $4.25 for kids. The destination was Buffalo Rock State Park, near Ottawa. It was a busy Sunday on the Q, as I also have a flyer for a steam excursion powered by 2-8-2 4960 to Ottawa an hour behind this train. This train used bi-level suburban commuter coaches, the steam trip offered air-conditioned coaches (heavyweights), a baggage car for tape recording fans and an open gondola. The fare for the steam trip was $7.50.
Photo Date:
5/23/1965
Upload Date:
11/19/2008 11:07:18 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9975(E8A)
Views:
513
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9975
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9975 eastbound on Train # 22, the Morning Zevhyr (aka Twin Cities Zephyr), at Rochelle, Illinois, November 14, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built in September 1953 (c/n 18317) on EMD Order 2059A, became BN 9975 and was sold for scrap to Precision National August 19, 1974. It is seen here passing westbound Extra 4960, a steam powered excursion way freight.
Photo Date:
11/14/1965
Upload Date:
5/6/2008 10:56:51 AM
Location:
Rochelle, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9975(E8A)
Views:
1162
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9976
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9976 westbound on Track #1 at Milepost 27, just east of Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Not obvious is that there are three trains in this photo. Immediately behind this train is another westbound Dinky (CB&Q term for suburban or commuter train), and way in the background is an eastbound Dinky just passing under the signal bridge. In the lower right of the frame is a water tower and smokestack of Saint Procopius Academy (my high school), today known as Benet Academy.This locomotive had a reputation among the CB&Q engineers, according to former Q engineer Karl Rethwisch, who commented on a photo of this locomotive that I posted earlier. Karl states that the 9976 was known as the 'Pelican' (a name bestowed upon it by an Engineer named Alex Fox), and possessed a few undesirable characteristics. One such characteristic was a tendency to syncronize its two prime movers. The Q's E-units were tuned such that transition would happen at different times for the two prime movers, so that there was little or no noticable lurch as transition occurred. Apparently the Pelican took exception to this, and after a few stops, would adjust itself so both prime movers would transition at the same time. Another quirk of the Pelican was the lack of responsive engine brakes, useful in maintaining demanding suburban start and stop schedules. Here is the explanation from Karl: In freight service the engine brake (independent brake / driver brakes) are kept 'bailed off' when using the automatic (train) brakes until immediately prior to coming to a full stop. In stretch braking mode the engine is allowed to pull on the train just a little to help prevent a run-in of slack. In mainline passenger service the engine brake is allowed to apply with the second brake pipe reduction. Around 20 mph, the automatic air is graduated off slightly. The application then in effect is maintained until a complete stop is made. In suburban service the engine brake is allowed to apply with the train brakes and held in that manner until the stop is complete. Since suburban operations are so much more demanding than mainline passenger service the engine brake is calculated into the overall stopping distance since it often represents a very high percentage of the total braking capability of the train. In the case of 9976 it's a ??????????, where's your brakes??? This engine displayed very unusual braking characteristics to the degree that I'd call 'er 'unique'. Sometimes the engine brake applied the same as other E units and other times it was as if it had been cut out. To my knowledge the mystery was never solved. All I DO know is that if the Pelican was your engine for the day you were in for an unpleasant trip.All Q E units had the 24RL brake schedule. While many railroads used this brake valve few, if any, had the dual service mode built into it. In mainline passenger service the brake valve was configured to operate in the 'conventional' manner meaning the normal automatic (AU) brake valve operation. In suburban service, however, the brake valve was configured to operate in the 'Straight Air' mode. When in SA (straight air) operation the brake valve caused air pressure to be applied to a signal line running through the entire train (suburban train). The build-up of pressure in the signal line resulted in the operation of the control valve on each car, to cause reservoir air to be directed to the brake cylinders. The further the brake valve handle was advanced the greater the resulting brake cylinder pressure. The engine brake also responded to the movement of the 24RL brake valve handle (except on the 9976) and slowed or stopped the train. What all this means is that ALL suburban cars were equipped with two separate brake systems, automatic (the George Westinghouse thing) and straight air, the method George worked so hard to eliminat
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
12/3/2009 1:29:36 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9976(E8A)
Views:
1651
Comments:
1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9976
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9976 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on June 7, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built in September 1953 (c/n 18318) on EMD Order 2059A for eight E8's (#'s 9970-9977), became BN 9976 sometime after the March 2, 1970 merger. It was sold to the West Suburban Mass Transit District on April 1, 1977, and was rebuilt by Morrison Knudsen in Boise, Idaho, swapping out it's twin 12-cylinder Model 567B prime movers for 645E's and changing out it's twin steam generators for Detroit Diesel powered HEP units. It appears this unit went on to a brief career as MARC 68, and now resides at the Illinois Railway Museum, Union, Illinois. In the background is Train #11, the Nebraska Zephyr. Assuming everyone is on time, 9976 is on Train #109, due in Naperville at 11:32AM, #11 is due at Aurora at 11:37AM.
Photo Date:
6/7/1965
Upload Date:
3/6/2009 10:49:40 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9976(E8A)
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2332
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2
Title:
CB&Q E8 9976
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9976 at Aurora, Illinois on July 10, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Built in September 1953 (c/n 18318) on EMD Order 2059A, it became BN 9976 and was later rebuilt and renumbered to BN 9908. It is seen here on the Aurora Depot turntable. The CB&Q had just received the first of its Budd push-pull cab control gallery cars a month earlier, a total of six cars, but not all had arrived yet. Some trains still needed their locomotives turned. Upon arrival at Aurora, the power was cut off and switched to the turntable, located behind the depot. This locomotive had just backed onto the turntable and will be rotated 180 degrees and coupled back onto the train for the return trip to Chicago.Below is a comment from Karl Rethwisch, and it peaked my curiosity, so I e-mail back to inquire about the meaning of the comment, and he responded:I was reviewing some Q stuff on rrpicurerchives.net, and came across your shot of the 'Pelican' (AKA 9976) on the turntable at Aurora Depot. I used the TT many times, along with the Cab Signal Test Loop.I e-mailed back, inquiring about the terms 'Pelican' and 'Cab Signal Test Loop', and here is that response:'Pelican', that term was coined by a suburban Engineer named Alex Fox. It was soon adopted by every other Engineer. The 9976 had EVERY undesirable quality one could imagine all wrapped up in one good lookin' E unit.Brakes. She didn't HAVE any !! Dinkys relied HEAVILY on the engine brake to be able to do all the crazy stuff we HAD to do to stay on time.Transition. This is the electrical equivalent of 'shifting gears'. The two power plants were adjusted to slightly different values to allow one power plant to 'transition', series to parallel, before the other did likewise to provide lurch-free acceleration. The '76, after two or three stops would, somehow, manage to synchronize BOTH power plants to produce the exact opposite of lurch-free acceleration. All-in-all, she was the antithesis of one's expectations of EMD locomotives.The Cab Signal Test Loop. Before a locomotive equipped with ACS (Automatic Cab Signal) was qualified to operate in ACS territory and rely on cab signal indications, the ACS system had to be tested prior to departure. After cutting away from the train in the Aurora Depot the original test was no longer considered valid and an operational test was required before departing Aurora. A push button at the west end of the table activated the loop and provided evidence of a functioning signal system.I believe I may also have mentioned the 9988B. She was the ONLY Q E unit capable of attaining 100 mph from a start at Naperville to passing under the 'J' (EJ&E) bridge east of Eola with a two car train. Now remember, I only HEARD that she could do that. Also she still exists in Florida as the, I believe, 9913 (the old BN number).
Photo Date:
7/10/1965
Upload Date:
4/29/2009 5:05:32 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9976(E8A)
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1248
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1
Title:
CB&Q E8 9976
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9976 eastbound at Eola, Illinois on July 17, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Although this unit was not (at this date) equipped with HEP, it was able to power the two cars it pulls as a result of a modification by the CB&Q shops to allow the auxiliary generators of the locomotive to power the lights. The coaches were heated with steam, and the air conditioning was powered by propane Waukesha engines on each coach.
Photo Date:
7/17/1965
Upload Date:
3/6/2009 12:15:49 PM
Location:
Eola, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9976(E8A)
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1073
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9977 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on May 16, 1963, photograph by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
5/16/1963
Upload Date:
7/17/2016 9:17:47 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9977(E8A)
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255
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
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CB&Q E8 9977 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois, March 22, 1965, photo by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
3/22/1965
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3/18/2011 2:41:41 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9977(E8A)
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601
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9977 eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 19, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/19/1965
Upload Date:
7/17/2016 9:06:31 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
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Passenger
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CBQ 9977(E8A)
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198
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9977 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 26, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/26/1965
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5/7/2015 2:08:14 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
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Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9977(E8A)
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280
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9977 westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Built September 1953 as CB&Q E-8 #9977 (c/n 18619), it became BN #9977. Around December 1974 it was sent to Morrison-Knudsen to be rebuilt to E8-Au specs, exchanging its twin 12-567B model power assemblies for 15-645EC's, and the electrical system was upgraded. In addition, the steam generators were replaced with a Cummins 500Kw generator for Head End Power (HEP). When it returned to BN rails (now numbered 9904) it was owned by the West Suburban Mass Transit District (WSMTD) and leased to the BN, and named "Village of Lisle". It worked!suburban trains until July 1992 when it was retired, and eventually became Illinois Central #101.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
5/15/2008 12:14:18 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9977(E8A)
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1108
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0
Title:
CB&Q E8 9977
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E8 9977 at Aurora, Illinois on a fan trip to West Burlington, Iowa to see 5632 (as it turned out, for the last time) on September 26, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
9/26/1965
Upload Date:
3/5/2015 3:17:36 PM
Location:
Aurora, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Signal
Locomotives:
CBQ 9977(E8A)
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474
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1
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985A
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985A eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on August 21, 1964, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
8/21/1964
Upload Date:
1/1/2013 4:06:11 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985A(E9A)
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481
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1
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985B
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985B westbound at Naperville, Illinois on February 27, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This was the first section of Train Number 11, the Nebraska Zephyr. By this photo date, Train 11 was mostly storage mail from Chicago to Lincoln, Nebraska, with a working RPO and passenger accommodations at the rear, generally the articulated coaches from the Second Twin Cities Zephyr. The second section of this train would be mostly storage mail cars, sometimes powered by freight units.
Photo Date:
2/27/1965
Upload Date:
8/16/2018 4:36:52 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985B(E9A)
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330
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0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985A
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985A westbound"a little east of Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
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5/7/2015 11:33:59 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
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Passenger
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CBQ 9985A(E9A)
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406
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Title:
CB&Q E9 9985B
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985B westbound at Naperville, Illinois on April 28, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. Built in December 1955 (c/n 20534) on EMD Order 2071A, this locomotive went on to become BN 9980, and after rebuilding, BN 9910. It is seen here 27 miles from the start of its journey at Union Station in Chicago.
Photo Date:
4/28/1965
Upload Date:
10/1/2009 3:43:58 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985B(E9A)
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686
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1
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985B
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985B eastbound at Naperville, Illinois on May 27, 1965, Ektachrome by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built December 1955 (c/n 20534), became BN 9980 March 2, 1970, was sold to the West Suburban Mass Transit District (WSMTD) August 18, 1972, was rebuilt by Morrison Knudesen during March 1973, and returned to BN rails as 9910, leased from the WSMTD. It was retired from suburban service in July 1992, and went to the Nashville & Eastern.
Photo Date:
5/27/1965
Upload Date:
7/2/2008 10:23:33 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985B(E9A)
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2113
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0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985A
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Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985A with a westbound Dinky (commuter train) at Naperville, Illinois on July 27, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. The yellow vegetation near the tracks shows the results of a recent passing of a weed control train.
Photo Date:
7/27/1965
Upload Date:
7/2/2015 12:59:22 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985A(E9A)
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314
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0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985A
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985A heading either Train Number 1 or 10, the Denver Zephyr, at Denver, Colorado on August 26, 1965, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. I'm not sure if this train was arriving (1) or departing (10). I was was in Denver with my friends Chris Burritt and Jerry Appleman and we shot everything with flanged wheels for a few hours before moving on to Cheyenne.
Photo Date:
8/26/1965
Upload Date:
9/10/2015 1:44:42 PM
Location:
Denver, CO
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985A(E9A)
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466
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0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985A
Description:
CB&Q E9 9985A westbound on Train #11, the Nebraska Zephyr, the daily Chicago to Lincoln, Nebraska mail train, at Naperville, Illinois, January 16, 1966, photo by Chuck Zeiler. This locomotive was built in December 1955 (c/n 20533) on EMD Order 2071, became BN 9985 after the March 2, 1970 merger, was remanufactured by Morrison-Knudsen in November 1973, returning numbered BN 9915 (owned by the West Suburban Mass Transit District and leased to the BN), retired in 1992, becoming NYS&W 2402. The following is excerpted from the book, Chicago Union Station, by Edward M. DeRouin (Pixels Publishing):The economies of the 1950's drove the Burlington, among others, to consolidate schedules to reduce operating costs. Effective February 1, 1958, the Nebraska Zephyr and Coloradoan ran as one train. After October 28, 1962, the cars of the Kansas City Zephyr were included in the consist. They were removed at Galesburg and continued their trip to Kansas City (as Train #35). The primary purpose of the Coloradoan was to bring mail and express to Council Bluffs and the Union Pacific for forwarding to places like Salt Lake City and Oakland. A secondary chore was to carry storage mail to Denver. Now those cars were tucked in between the power and passenger cars of the two Zephyrs. Shortly after 9:00 AM, a switch engine would shove the articulated cars of the Nebraska Zephyr, the four cars of the Kansas City Zephyr, and cars filled with express to the (Chicago Union Station, CUS) depot. After setting the consist on the station track, the engine would then add two RPOs pulled from station track 14 and move on to other work. After finishing breakfast at the Zephyr Diner, the engine crew prepared their locomotives and when the switches were lined, proceeded west to Union Avenue. Once on the main, the locomotives reversed and headed for CUS. Before reaching the depot, the units were lined for station track 32, where storage cars filled with mail were picked up. Once the steam and air lines were hooked up and brakes tested, the locomotives and mail proceeded south past the Harrison Street Tower. Burlington 11's final preparatory move with a switchman, referred to as a Pilot, qualified to control backup moves at CUS, in place on the station end of the head end cars, and controlled the automatic brake with a hose and valve assembly referred to as a monkey tail (because of its shape). Upon receipt of the proper signal, the Pilot would draw off some air, and the Engineer would 'shove on reduction'. This procedure held slack in check. The movement was stopped before making the coupling and the monkey tail removed. Hand signals guided the last movement, and with people boarding, postal clerks working in the RPOs, and mail handlers loading the storage cars, the coupling had to be, and was, gentle. After the steam and air lines were made, the standing brake test was conducted and Number 11 was ready for departure at 11:00 AM.
Photo Date:
1/16/1966
Upload Date:
3/27/2010 11:52:05 AM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Roster,Winter,Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985A(E9A)
Views:
2318
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0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985B
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985B heading Train 12, the eastbound Nebraska Zephyr, at Galva, Illinois on August 25, 1966, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler. My friend, Chris Burritt, was the operator at Galva for a few weeks during the summer of 1966. He is seen in front of the baggage cart preparing to load mail into the arriving train.
Photo Date:
8/25/1966
Upload Date:
8/13/2016 4:34:06 PM
Location:
Galva, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Station
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985B(E9A)
Views:
287
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9985B
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9985B heading Train 11, the westbound Nebraska Zephyr, at Altona, Illinois on August 26, 1966, Kodachrome by Chuck Zeiler.
Photo Date:
8/26/1966
Upload Date:
8/13/2016 6:37:07 PM
Location:
Altona, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9985B(E9A)
Views:
295
Comments:
0
Title:
CB&Q E9 9986B
Description:
Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad E9 9986B westbound at Naperville, Illinois on June 14, 1963, photograph by Chuck Zeiler. While not a very good photo, it's the only one I have of a solid green consist.
Photo Date:
6/14/1963
Upload Date:
8/25/2016 6:36:12 PM
Location:
Naperville, IL
Author:
Chuck Zeiler
Categories:
Passenger
Locomotives:
CBQ 9986B(E9A)
Views:
222
Comments:
0
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